NY Times coffee article.
surprised no one has posted this yet. your thoughts?
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Permalink Reply by Brady on
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Manual brew every morning certainly isn't for everyone. Truth be told, the contents of the mug I'm drinking were made with a Moccamaster. Results are almost as good, and that's ok for me for Tuesday morning.
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Ayers on
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It's all about passion. This guy simply doesn't have it, thats why the pour over process annoys him. If you don't want to put the effort into it then don't. Come pay one of us to make it for you, we enjoy it. What's wrong with a 5 minute(ish) ritual to make a fantastic cup of coffee? Also, what is with comparing it to food? You don't eat coffee, it's a beverage. He says he'll wait 30 min for a "superior porterhouse or sublime sliver of sushi". That's such an asinine statement to use for comparison. Why even bother to write this article, let alone publish it? The only point it makes is that he is lazy, and good coffee takes longer than crappy coffee. Big suprise.
Also, Brady you know damn well a moccamaster is far superior to a Mr. Coffee. Spending the money for one of those is probably too much of a burden for this guy. Just like he claims every other aspect of making good coffee is.
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Permalink Reply by Nancy Gebralter on
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I kind of just skimmed through the article, but one sentence made me laugh... "There’s only so much I can accomplish in advance of the administration of caffeine. " OH NO! You have to GRIND coffee right before you brew it? Man, WAY too complicated.
Why brew your own? Go down the street and pay for a cup if it is THAT much of a hassle.
But, from the sounds of it, leaving his house may be too much, as well.
This guy is definitely laughable, but very boring in a writer's sense. I couldn't read but a few sentences here and there without getting bored. Maybe I missed the point entirely.
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And wait wait wait... The french press is at the end of it's day? Really?
I missed that memo, I guess.
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Permalink Reply by Jared Rutledge on
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just another example of the trite and badly written refuse that populates the newspaper page these days.
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Permalink Reply by Dennis McQuoid on
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For the past year or so, my morning ritual includes making either pour-over or siphon. I find it relaxing.
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Permalink Reply by Dustin DeMers on
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It literally takes me about 20 minutes to make a cappuccino in the morning. If I work early then I just get coffee at work, but if I have the time then I enjoy the whole process. If I didnt enjoy the whole process, it would be a nightmare
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Permalink Reply by Joona Suominen on
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Kevin ayers: I'm not certain I understood you. He just bought himself a grinder, chemex and a hario v-60 and you're thinking the guy's too lazy to buy a Moccamaster?
You peeps should really have some tolerance and try to understand where he's coming from, it helps in getting along with the average (I hate using this word) crowd.
There's this strange irrational belief on the coffee world that each and every other person should be like us. The truth is that although we might feel we know what coffee ultimately is and should be, it doesn't make it any more or less valuable compared to the black stuff average people are consuming. They still might like it as much as we do. And better yet, they just might like "drinking the coffee" instead of all the lifestyle/politics/elitism/ego-inflating that rotates around the coffee as we know it.
This brings my dad in mind: he has this nasty habit of microwaving old coffee. It was a few months ago when I wash at my parents' to wash some cloths when he came back from work, did the nasty microwave-ritual and just sat there drinking the coffee, doing nothing else. I know he does the very same every day and it has a symbolic value in declaring that the day's work is done. I know what the coffee must taste like and I know my father knows how my coffee tastes but at that moment, it just doesn't matter. I'd be cold hearted if I told him that the experience he's having is utter shite and he should do this and that in order to make coffee that's good enough for me.
The way I see it is that taking it at face value that everyone should think the same way as we do about coffee is terribly wrong and unproductive set of mind. Instead, we should understand and appreciate how people are approaching us and encourage them to our direction. There's no preaching and hypocrisy needed. If they don't get it, we might need to do something differently or they just need it.
And I really do believe that french press has seen it's hay days unless paired with a top notch grinder. The sediment and the dirty mouthfeel that I kinda used to like is putting me off now that I know about other methods.
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Permalink Reply by zack burnett on
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Very well put Joona. You are right that we need to better understand that the vast majority of people are not nearly as obsessed with coffee as the people on this board. It would be very beneficial to figure out how to excite them without putting them off. On the other hand this article is frustrating in that it illustrates how much most people value convenience over quality and are willing to settle on something that is just good enough.
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All I am saying is that this article is pointless. I could care less what the guy wants to drink. My issues are with the fact that he bothered to write such a boring article, and that the times bothered to print such useless filler. That's all.
Joona Suominen said:Kevin ayers: I'm not certain I understood you. He just bought himself a grinder, chemex and a hario v-60 and you're thinking the guy's too lazy to buy a Moccamaster?
You peeps should really have some tolerance and try to understand where he's coming from, it helps in getting along with the average (I hate using this word) crowd.
There's this strange irrational belief on the coffee world that each and every other person should be like us. The truth is that although we might feel we know what coffee ultimately is and should be, it doesn't make it any more or less valuable compared to the black stuff average people are consuming. They still might like it as much as we do. And better yet, they just might like "drinking the coffee" instead of all the lifestyle/politics/elitism/ego-inflating that rotates around the coffee as we know it.
This brings my dad in mind: he has this nasty habit of microwaving old coffee. It was a few months ago when I wash at my parents' to wash some cloths when he came back from work, did the nasty microwave-ritual and just sat there drinking the coffee, doing nothing else. I know he does the very same every day and it has a symbolic value in declaring that the day's work is done. I know what the coffee must taste like and I know my father knows how my coffee tastes but at that moment, it just doesn't matter. I'd be cold hearted if I told him that the experience he's having is utter shite and he should do this and that in order to make coffee that's good enough for me.
The way I see it is that taking it at face value that everyone should think the same way as we do about coffee is terribly wrong and unproductive set of mind. Instead, we should understand and appreciate how people are approaching us and encourage them to our direction. There's no preaching and hypocrisy needed. If they don't get it, we might need to do something differently or they just need it.
And I really do believe that french press has seen it's hay days unless paired with a top notch grinder. The sediment and the dirty mouthfeel that I kinda used to like is putting me off now that I know about other methods.
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It seems like you are frustrated and angry. Would it make things any easier if you tried to see this as an valuable insight to the world of potentional customer?
Kevin Ayers said:All I am saying is that this article is pointless. I could care less what the guy wants to drink. My issues are with the fact that he bothered to write such a boring article, and that the times bothered to print such useless filler. That's all.
Joona Suominen said:Kevin ayers: I'm not certain I understood you. He just bought himself a grinder, chemex and a hario v-60 and you're thinking the guy's too lazy to buy a Moccamaster?
You peeps should really have some tolerance and try to understand where he's coming from, it helps in getting along with the average (I hate using this word) crowd.
There's this strange irrational belief on the coffee world that each and every other person should be like us. The truth is that although we might feel we know what coffee ultimately is and should be, it doesn't make it any more or less valuable compared to the black stuff average people are consuming. They still might like it as much as we do. And better yet, they just might like "drinking the coffee" instead of all the lifestyle/politics/elitism/ego-inflating that rotates around the coffee as we know it.
This brings my dad in mind: he has this nasty habit of microwaving old coffee. It was a few months ago when I wash at my parents' to wash some cloths when he came back from work, did the nasty microwave-ritual and just sat there drinking the coffee, doing nothing else. I know he does the very same every day and it has a symbolic value in declaring that the day's work is done. I know what the coffee must taste like and I know my father knows how my coffee tastes but at that moment, it just doesn't matter. I'd be cold hearted if I told him that the experience he's having is utter shite and he should do this and that in order to make coffee that's good enough for me.
The way I see it is that taking it at face value that everyone should think the same way as we do about coffee is terribly wrong and unproductive set of mind. Instead, we should understand and appreciate how people are approaching us and encourage them to our direction. There's no preaching and hypocrisy needed. If they don't get it, we might need to do something differently or they just need it.
And I really do believe that french press has seen it's hay days unless paired with a top notch grinder. The sediment and the dirty mouthfeel that I kinda used to like is putting me off now that I know about other methods.
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While I understand where you are coming from, Joona, one thing that bothered me about the article was the almost-condescending tone that it put out towards those of us that do enjoy our coffee. He had a way of making you feel as though those of us that like to have a fresh cup of coffee are out of our minds for attempting to achieve the best. His entire article could almost have been summed up in a sentence. "I don't really care for coffee enough to take an extra 30 minutes out of my day.". Other than that, it seemed like useless filler to drive that point forth.
I realize that not all people are as crazy about coffee as those of us on this site, but the way he presented that was just arrogant, in a sense. Maybe I feel offended by what he said because I AM crazy about coffee, but I almost feel it's more the way that he wrote the article that is what offended me. And even after reading it a third time, I still don't see the point. Even my boyfriend, who doesn't like coffee and sure as heck doesn't care about coffee. thought that the article was a bit pompous. His exact words were "Geez, this guy is a dick" (my bf isn't the most eloquent of sorts, but he means well). Again, I found it very difficult to actually get through his article, so I may be missing a lot. But that is my (and my non-coffee drinking bf) thoughts on the matter.
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