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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Conley on February 1, 2010 at 7:14pm

I know, right?

Andrew Thom said:

What?? Americanos WITHOUT crema intact??

Jeremy Conley said:

There's also the Long Black. An Americano made by pulling the shots over the hot water —crema intact.

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Permalink Reply by jeremiah frazier on February 2, 2010 at 4:06pm

yes a "flat white" is a variation of a latte that was born in new zealand,
essentiaLLY a latte , the froth/foam is what makes the flat white ,
its the layer that exist directly above the milk body (12% + fat content works ideal)poured very carefully while restricting the more popular/more dense fold with a spoon,usually served 8 oz.

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Permalink Reply by Troy on February 2, 2010 at 9:07pm

Curious as to where this information came from, we don't even use milk with more than 4% fat anywhere in NZ.
Depending on what city you visit, you'll either get a double ristretto with milk textured the same as a caffe Latte, slightly less foam served in either a 150ml Tulip cup or the larger 180ml.
Some places its just a single shot, but still generally kept to a small cup.
Alun, have you tried the ACF semi-tulip cups?, they hold 170mls and are quite nice to pour into.
The link is http://acfcupscom.axiion.com/brown/150ml-flat-white-brown.html although they state 150mls, they hold more than the regular tulip cup which is commonly used for long blacks.
Incidentely Americano Breves aren't that common, as Kiwi's seem to prefer the stronger long black with only a dash of cold milk if anything.
Actually I'm surprised we don't as a nation drink more Americano's, as drip is not very commonplace in the NZ cafe.
Troy

jeremiah frazier said:

yes a "flat white" is a variation of a latte that was born in new zealand,
essentiaLLY a latte , the froth/foam is what makes the flat white ,
its the layer that exist directly above the milk body (12% + fat content works ideal)poured very carefully while restricting the more popular/more dense fold with a spoon,usually served 8 oz.

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Permalink Reply by Alex on February 3, 2010 at 12:37am

The flat white is largely a drink open to interpretation. Some people will say two shots, some will say one. Some people say no-foam, some will say a little layer of foam. The size of the cup is even more varied.

It is entirely up to the individual cafe as to how it is served, and anyone who says it is wrong is just narrow-minded.

I find in bizare that cafe chains in the UK are rolling them out like they're some amazing new drink though- they're no more interesting than a latte.

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Permalink Reply by John Walker on February 4, 2010 at 1:54am

Knife??? That's not a knife!!!!! Now, THAT'S a knife.

The Aussie's and Kiwi's will get it. The rest always seem to be playing catchup, eh?

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Permalink Reply by Chris Donohoe on February 6, 2010 at 10:01pm

so, i was a barista in australia for 4 years, and a flat white is NOT like a macchiato or a cap.. basically, it's a no-foam latte (hence the name), but you want the milk to be nice and silky so that when you pour (pour really slowly so that you use the creamy milk at the bottom of the pitcher), you still have just the thinnest layer of foam on the top. and size doesn't so much matter, theoretically, you could make a flat-white in any size, it's just that the aussie's are sensible when it comes to coffee and enjoy their coffee in smaller sizes (like a double-shot/large wouldn't come in anything bigger than a 12 oz).. hope this helps?

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Permalink Reply by Jared Rutledge on February 7, 2010 at 4:20am

yeah, what chris said was my experience. i'm trying to train my fellow american customers to call no-foam lattes "flat whites" cause it just sounds better. i just make it like a normal latte, except i pour really slow, no art, keep the foam in the pitcher.

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Permalink Reply by Pangi on February 7, 2010 at 9:41am

True, the Flat White is open to interpretation but this is no differrent from any other drink.....

There are as a result always going to be differences in the way that drinks are served depending on culture and context. This is even the case in the small country of Aotearoa/NZ where the term Flat White can vary from town to town, cafe to cafe. Sometimes it is synonomous with a latte.

In my experience the cafes that know what they're on about, who seek excellence and professionalism tend to have the same drink which is not a latte. It's a double shot in a 150ml cup with silkily textured microfoam making for an integrated (almost foamless) drink.....hence the term flat ie-the top is flat because of the lack of a significant head of foam.

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Permalink Reply by Denise Smith on February 12, 2010 at 7:20am

Little to no foam on a latte is what I thought it was too. Well, whatever it's called that is what 'Tom' orders every day in his (clean) Travel mug so that's what we make.

Sylvie Baele said:

a flat white is: a latte with no foam, using the steamed milk from the bottom of the pitcher.

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Permalink Reply by Troy on February 13, 2010 at 1:07am

This guy actually claims to have invented the Flat white, so here's how its done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6BZxAD1Rk&feature=related

Interpret that, hmmmm. Read the video comments to get a feeling for this guys love in the industry.

Alex said:

The flat white is largely a drink open to interpretation. Some people will say two shots, some will say one. Some people say no-foam, some will say a little layer of foam. The size of the cup is even more varied.

It is entirely up to the individual cafe as to how it is served, and anyone who says it is wrong is just narrow-minded.

I find in bizare that cafe chains in the UK are rolling them out like they're some amazing new drink though- they're no more interesting than a latte.

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Permalink Reply by Alun Evans on February 13, 2010 at 1:52am

Umm...I am not sure Troy I am not doubting u 1 instant but..., u reckon?

Troy said:

This guy actually claims to have invented the Flat white, so here's how its done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq6BZxAD1Rk&feature=related

Interpret that, hmmmm. Read the video comments to get a feeling for this guys love in the industry.

Alex said:

The flat white is largely a drink open to interpretation. Some people will say two shots, some will say one. Some people say no-foam, some will say a little layer of foam. The size of the cup is even more varied.

It is entirely up to the individual cafe as to how it is served, and anyone who says it is wrong is just narrow-minded.

I find in bizare that cafe chains in the UK are rolling them out like they're some amazing new drink though- they're no more interesting than a latte.

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Permalink Reply by Mike McGinness on February 14, 2010 at 4:16pm

Flat white? Here's Bry sipping a flat white, don't get much flatter! :-)

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